A couple weeks ago we told you that Senator Dianne Feinstein was set to introduce a renewed and more onorous Assault Weapons Ban on the first day of Congress (January 3). Well we now know some of the details of this new ban.
This is from Feinstein’s Senate.gov website, emphasis added.
Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation:
- Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:
- 120 specifically-named firearms
- Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic
- Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds
- Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:
- Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test
- Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test
- Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans
- Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
- Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:
- Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment
- Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and
- Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons
- Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:
- Background check of owner and any transferee;
- Type and serial number of the firearm;
- Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
- Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
- Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration
A pdf of the bill summary is available here.
Registration
If the section in bold above doesn’t make sense, here’s what it means to you in practical terms. If you own a weapon that is covered under the ban (like an AR-15), you will be required to register this weapon with the ATF under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A weapon that you already legally own.
- You must pay the NFA tax, which is currently $200.
- You must be “certified” by local law enforcement, which currently means the chief law enforcement officer where you live.
- You must be photographed and fingerprinted and then entered into whatever database they will use for this registration.
- Then, and only then, will your currently legal weapon be legal under the new regime.
Agenda Confirmed
The debate on what a renewed Assault Weapons Ban would or would not do should be just about over. Their agenda is clear – to eventually disarm America. If you think not, then perhaps you need to brush up on history, and you really don’t even have to go back very far. Take a look at what happened in England and Australia. First they registered their guns, telling the government exactly who has what and how many, and then the government took away their guns type by type. Tell me, what kinds of guns can you currently own in England and Australia?
NFA registration is an expected move from Feinstein given their goal to disarm America. From their perspective, NFA registration makes sense and would be extremely effective both in the short and long term. What it would accomplish is twofold:
- Make it extremely hard to be “legal” under the new regime. This will mean that most folks will just give up and participate in the gun buy back program.
- The remaining folks will all be on a list, telling them exactly who to keep an eye on, and where to go to get the guns when the time comes.
Wrapping Up
If this doesn’t scare you, then you might want to rethink this and realize what it actually means. We need to fight this. Contact your representative and tell them that they ABSOLUTELY CANNOT vote for this tyrannical legislation.
This is not going to work. ATF is overloaded as it is. The InstaCheck Database (if that is what is used) is out of date and a large percentage of states do not submit data to it.
Check out the part about “dedicated funding” for the ATF to implement…and remember, if it’s slow and hard for people to do, they’ll be forced to either participate in the buy back or be illegal.
Or, like with AOWs, SBRs, SBSs, and other NFA items, you will have to wait, and your waiting period will go from 3 months to 12+ months.
Isn’t it already at 9-12+ months?
dont think they can make it illegal ,without changing the consitution
yeah like they have been following the constitution all along! Get real we are moving to a socialistic government and the people will have very little say.
Actually it is a Fascists government and it has been that way since the early 1900′s
this is why the apointment of the supreme court is so important. they don’t have to reright the constitution if they can change the meaning of the words
I would rather be ellegal.
Eric …. You are fooling yourself to think that this bill cannot or will not get passed …. people said the same thing about the 1994 AWB and it took place for 10years we will not be so lucky this time …. Ms. Dianne Feinstein learned her lesson and has put things into this that will allow congress to ” comprimise ” to get it to pass and for it to stay in place . Maybe the atf funding wont go thru but the rest will type of comprimise ….PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP !!!!! this isnt a law to help end shootings or to make sure less people get killed in a shooting , its a precursor to taking weapons out of our hands and GUTTING the second amendment !!!
Unacceptable.
The other end of the coin is that you would still be able to buy a paperweight 80% lower and mill it yourself with no need for registration.
Yeah I know, but buy the paperweights now. Guaranteed that “loophole” will get closed.
Boy, am I glad that I sold my guns at yard sales. The ones I would have had now and the ones which I theoretically would have purchased between now and the enactment. All to different people and as an individual I didn’t keep any records.
The ATF does not even have a director for the last 5 years, and they think these ass hats can do anything??? This IMHO borders on domestic tyranny. There is nothing ambiguous in the Second Amendment about “shall not be infringed”.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/20-signs-that-the-nazification-of-america-is-almost-complete
It is time to dump some tea in the harbor, I will register my, recently sold, weapons at the morgue when I get there.
If I end up in the morgue I will have some company. That I can promiss them.
This is sedition! Any member of Congress who votes for this plan needs to be re-called by their constituency and removed from office
I’m with Andy, molon labe, you want my weapons come and take them bastards
Just Wrote my Congressman, Hope he gets the point!!!
Thanks for the article. I have already contacted my Congressman, John Culberson.
I do wonder if they’ll also require registration and taxes for magazines. That’s certainly what happened in 1934, and I bet they’ll charge more than $5.
Once the Nazis took power, they rapidly implemented gun control legislation and later on they took all of the guns away from the populace.
Kitty Werthmann remembers very well what happened in Austria under the Nazis….
Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long after-wards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.
I will not comply.
Sickening! I have been a union member and democrat my whole life. That is until the recent election. These scumbags need to be taken out of office. Its sickening and embarresing. Feinstein is the lowest form of life. She couldnt wait to capitalize on the deaths of these children to push her agenda. I will never vote democrat again because of the current scumbags in office.
Yeh She said she had been working on this for over a year now. Could it be that all of these mass shootings and government are some how linked i mean after all the government gave the drug cartels these very weapons that they are wanting to ban.
I truly belive that our government had something to do with the shooting at Newtown. Just too many questions that have in no way been answered.
They can have my weapons when they pry it from my cold dead hands!!! Hooahh!!!
Seriously? You guys are idiots. America needs to get rid of as many guns as possible. The second amendment doesn’t give you the right to own any gun for whatever reason. I understanding having a single gun at home for protection against a threat, but more than that is unacceptable. I heard something about leaving hunting guns at a lodge, which is a good idea. i doubt many people hunt in their own back yard. Other than for hunting and protection in high crime areas, i don’t believe people should own guns. Anything that has the ability to use more than 10 rounds should be gone (as is specifically stated up there). It would be best if people didn’t even feel the need to have a gun for protection. But I know that level of trust in mankind is not going to come to the good ole u s of a isn’t coming any time soon. This country is corrupt all around and there aren’t any quick fixes. but stricter gun control is a start. Getting rid of the negatives stigma of mental health would be awesome too. If people weren’t so afraid of being ridiculed or misunderstood or ostrasized (my spell check says thats spelled wrong but im not sure if it is. Anyway….) For needing help for mental problems, then the people who perform these awful acts will (hopefully) get help before they snap. All in all, there are many parts to the problem, and blaming the government for anything that happens or getting angered over legislation that will most likely hedge the likelihood of another tragedy happening by a significant amount is just ignorant. This “I want what I want when I want it” attitude that you all seem to have needs to stop. Most humans grow out of that stage and gain compassion for their fellows and start realizing that its not the individual that matters, but the whole, when they exit adolescence. Congratulations. Everyone who wants to own a gun just because they can has the mentality of a child/teenager.
You start your argument off by call by calling us idiots…interesting tactic, that.
“The second amendment doesn’t give you the right to own any gun for whatever reason”
The Supreme Court disagrees with you. Take a look at United States v. Miller, which established that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess weapons that are used for the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia.
“I understanding having a single gun at home for protection against a threat, but more than that is unacceptable…i don’t believe people should own guns”
What you think is irrelevant.
The rest of your rambling was incoherent at best and hardly requires a response. Try to see past your naive ignorance and learn the ways of liberty.
Oh, and it’s spelled “ostracized”.
you sir are an epic fail as a human being. Go troll msnbc with the rest of the libtards
*facepalm* that is
I would really like to know what you think the 2nd amendment means.
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/ladies-and-gentleman-the-second-amendment_122012
Opinions like the one from *facepalm* are why this country is in the position it’s in. “…start realizing that its not the individual that matters, but the whole…” That’s communism at its finest ladies and gentleman. We cannot un-invent firearms. If we decided one day to “get rid” of them all in this country, I’m sure the criminals will line up with us to turn their weapons in too. It seems that liberals focus so much on guns that they forget about rights in general. The second amendment was put in place for the people to protect their other rights, like the freedom to post opinions and call people idiots.
what an asshole
If you don’t agree with what our forefathers fought and tried so hard to protect. Our God given right to protect ourselves and our families. Then you sir are more then welcome to get the hell out of this country. Go live in the UK they might take you.
DITTO
You seem to have all the answers. You should run for office then you could be in a controlling atmosphere to make decisions to force people to comply. You would be in your element. Oh yea and you can fix spellcheck too!
Seriously, I think it’s the other way around, you’re the idiot! There are alot of people crying for stricter gun control with the intent to ban all guns. If this happens; then, I believe that all cops, bodyguards and the secret service should also have to give up there guns. They shouldn’t need them anymore living in a gun- free America, right? Banning guns in America isn’t going to make anything or anyone safer than what they already are . When you start taking guns away from the American people, all you’re doing is giving other country’s an open invitation to invade the United States.
That’s fine, take my 30 round magazineS then go jump in the f’ing lake, and we’ll call this matter “over and done with”. I’ll just tape 2 together and roll with 20 And just have to flip it after popping off the first ten.
You are an absolute idiot. Where, in the second amendment, does it say I should be able to own one hunting rifle. I am a sportsman and am very responsible. You obviously have not been exposed to violent crime in which a firearm could have / would have helped.
Facepalm…….. I think you been using too much “handpalm” and your brain leaked out onto a paper towel. The 2nd Amendment clearly states “shall not be infringed”……
actually the 2nd amd. does give us the right to own any thing i want. the reason for the 2nd is so we the people could defeat the standing army of the USA. check the Federalest papers, #38 i think is the paper that explains the 2nd.
really, then wshf and everything goes to hell and the bangers or psychos come a callin with guns that they stashed, we can all just give up all we have maybe our homes, or be killed. yup, like that idea. i feel awful about things that have happened. but they just cant take everything away from the AMERICAN people. think about it….
You want guns gone? Go to every house (especially the neighborhoods with the high crime rates) and march in their homes like Hitler and take their weapons from them. See how far you will make it. Move elsewhere if you think you know… you have the pick of hundreds of other countries that have the gun control that you favor… so get the fuck out. This situation isn’t black and white.. it’s a whole lot of grey.
Your the one who is an idiot. People like you is what makes America unsafe. We live in the land of the free which means you should be free to do and own what is legal with out the government sticking its nose in it.
Dearest “facepalm”, (interesting choice for a name…)
You refer to “us” as “idiots”. I’ll refer to you and yours from this point forward as “dumbass”. I’ll try to move slowly so you don’t get too lost. I know it’ll be hard, but you can reread this if need be. First, I do hunt in my back yard. I grew up in the city, but moved to get away from dumbasses like you that are completely blind to the society around them. Where I grew up we were not allowed as law abiding citizens to have firearms within the city limits. That worked REALLY well for the criminals in the area that “fully complied with the laws”. In my young life I have seen multiple situations where criminals had the upper hand with firearms and left us citizens unprotected, and they knew it. My father was once told by a police officer, after a 13 year old girl and her brother were beaten and raped by multiple criminals that they were “outgunned” by the criminal base. They simply had no good way to “serve and protect” the public. He also stated that, for the most part, we were “on our own” in dark hours, especially weekends because of manpower restraints. People don’t want weapons because they “can” have them. They want them because it is our RIGHT as citizens of the US of A. We have the RIGHT to protect ourselves and our families. So as far as legislation helping to stop a future horrible act, you would have to be a total dumbass to believe the criminals and mentally ill around our wonderful nation will read and comply with those laws. That is the reason they do what they do. They know there is very little defense in places that have no protection. I own several different weapons. Some for protection, some for hunting, and some for keeping up on firearm skills, (that means “practicing” in case you’re getting lost, dumbass). When we create one weapon that will do all of these things I will only own that one weapon. There are hunting laws, in case you’re to much of a dumbass to know, require different weapons to hunt different game. So the law itself requires you to have multiple weapons to help control disease and famine of our wildlife. Our nation as whole, especially in our cities, are completely blind to the world around them. Everyone feels they are “safe”. I have been half way around the world when I was in the Army. Other countries “safety” are nothing like our own. They do not have school shootings. I agree with that. You dumbasses want to know WHY? The teachers carry AK’s. It’s defended. Simple. Probably too hard for you to understand. Dumbass.
I believe your I.Q is very low and i feel entirely sorry for you.
Facepalm,
Your pattern of speech indicates that you are not far removed from teenage years yourself.
It is a beautiful thing to long for a utopian society. One where people have a level of trust in each other. We gun owners do not trust the government and we do not trust criminals. The anti-gunners seem not to trust gun owners and choose instead to trust government, and in fact, rely on them for protection they cannot provide; though they will offer and promise if it makes you feel good enough to keep them in power.
You say you don’t believe people should own guns but guns exist. People invented them. You know what else people shouldn’t own?…every technological invention ever made for they’re all abominations of the natural world are they not? But man was never made to live in the world in its natural state. We invented guns for a reason just like everything else. To inflict wounds even if to the point of death. Whether we choose to use it to take or to defend is an individual responsibility.
You may want to rid the world of guns but you cannot undo what has been done. It’s out of the bag. You must come to grips with this fact and you must confront it as opposed to making it go away because the reality is it’s not going anywhere. If you have the economic means to procure and train with them, you’d be foolish not to.
Dear Facepalm ….. You are the “idiot ” for not knowing why the 2nd amendment was put in the constitution in the first place … not for owning a gun because i want to own one it was put there so that we the people are allowed to own weapons in case of tyranny ….so that the people can take thier government back and replace it with a better form of government if need be !!! and just so you know the lad that shot all them little kids did it with “stolen” guns that he took after he murdered his own mother …. how does banning weapons from law abiding people gonna stop criminals from owning guns …. its not , they will keep getting them from the black market which is supplied for by other criminals
im not a outlaw , but I may become one soon enough , time to drop off the grid
It is time for all American gun owners to join arms and march on DC and let them know We The People have had enough of their crap and will not stand for it anymore ! This is our country and They the government work for us ! If they can`t handle responsible citizens owning guns the resign and get the F out of DC. It is our right and we should all be willing to die to protect what so many oters have died for already!!!
I’m so not for this how do I vote for this not to happen
COME AND TAKE THEM!
Just an interesting thought. But, can y’all at Moderno tell me if the new Tavor SARs are on the list of specifically named firearms?
Cheers, Moderno! Thanks!
Yes they absolutely will be.
Chris, you had the chance to vote for this not to happen on Nov 6th…
Facepalm- No one hunts in their own back yard?? Those of us that live in the country do, and we do so often. There is no hunting rifle that covers all situations or game. If I shot a quail, or pheasant with the same rifle I use for deer, thered be nothing left. Are you really that ignorant?
And no one will do a fucking thing about it, either, that’s the sad part. America has become a nation of PUSSIFIED SLAVES TO MONEY.
What guns, i don’t have any guns! i sold them years ago……
Is there any insight to what a “military characteristic” might be? Semiautomatic handguns with a detachable mag (isn’t this most all of them) with a “military characteristic” would be banned. Sounds like a near total gun ban…
We’ll have to wait and see…yeah, it certainly could be.
sem·i·au·to·mat·ic (sm-ôt-mtk, sm-)
adj.
1. Partially automatic.
2. Ejecting a shell and loading the next round of ammunition automatically, but requiring a squeeze of the trigger for each shot. Used of a firearm.
Ok, here’s the deal people… Semiautomatic DOES NOTE EQUAL ASSAULT WEAPON
Let me repeat that: SEMI-AUTOMATIC does NOT EQUAL “assault weapon”….
Any handgun, rifle, or shotgun that automatically loads the next round/shell, is SEMIAUTOMATIC. So, by extension, a “Semiautomatic weapons ban” would (eventually) include EVERY WEAPON THAT DOES THE ABOVE!!!
Stop and think about that for a second… With the exception of say, breakover and pump shotguns, single shot muzzle loading-type weapons, revolvers (which are semiautomatic in nature but not the above definition if they don’t eject the shell), rifles that require a cock per shot (remember Chuck Connors “the Rifleman”?), just about every weapon we use these days is semi-automatic.
So if you let them ban every semiautomatic weapon, you’re relegating your defense back to one of the above types of weapons (eventually, because liberal anti-gun nuts are going to go as far as they can to eventual banning of all firearms!!) And I for one, would not want to have to ask an intruder in my home to wait while I reloaded that ancient muzzle loader so I could shoot him for coming in uninvited and trying to kill me.
You gotta admit, their propaganda has been quite effective.
The mass media is spreading their propaganda 24/7. It’s up to us to use everything available to get our message out and activate our base. Time to do so is short. Talk to friends, talk to family, engage social media, donate to NRA-ILA, GOA and 2AF.
Write your congressmen and Senators to let them know an end run around the constitution via the UN Small Arms Treaty is also unacceptable. Let them know that voting for ANY form of gun control means you will vote against them in the very next election. No compromises.
I also emailed my congress woman
just did a little research and what the senator is proposing is not legal under the NFA ( http://www.atf.gov/firearms/nfa/ ). under the gun control act of 1968 the requirement to register unregistered firearms already in possession was removed from the NFA. If this bill passes as it stands then we are still protected but lets try to keep it from passing anyway. Maybe we should have the senator arrested for trying to pass legislation that infringes on our rights.
Maybe senator fienstien should wear a yellow star of David to signify who she is, or perhaps we should register our children as well so we can pay taxes on them. Oh wait i have sharp objects in my home as well should i register those as well? Why dont these hypocratic politicians go and knock on the doors o the criminals and felons to make sure they are not in posession of illegal weapons. Why? Because they are all spinless cowards that feel the need to target and abuse the law abiding citizens because; well because they follow the freakin laws set forth by the schmucks! I am sick and tired of all of their crap! As i am sure most of you are. As it is i use tactical weapons for my job. I will be damned if a local police chief is going to tell me that i am not capable of passing their “training”. They are taking this in the wrong direction. It just goes to show you the Jackasses making these laws live a sheltered life and don’t really understand the world we live in. When something terrible and horrific happens to one of their loved ones and they need a firearms to defend themselves their own laws will come back and bit them square in the ass. As they are burying their children or spouse or significant other family member. Fuck them all i say. They need to wake up and take a good look around
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The intention of the 2nd amendment was to protect citizens from tyranny. Militias in their eyes were not government controlled. A militia was used to attack the government that had claimed power over them. It was your neighbor down the street, your cousin from across town, and the shop keeper. It was not the Army, National guard or any other uniformed service. The 2nd amendment does not protect your right to hunt. It protects your right to liberty.
To facepalm…….we fear what we do not understand. The people need to be educated with the truths of guns and gun safety not the myths the media portrays. After the election it is obvious the govt. is getting more sheep added to its flock and unless they get educated (or want to be educated) we will always have the problems we yave in todays society.
What are they gonna do if we dont turn over our weapons? There are so many of us like myself that are hardened combat veterans and some punk ass is gonna try to take my guns HAHA, Who is gonna try and come get them i doubt it is someone trained to properly use them.You think there military is gonna take them they are on the same page as use for the most part. This is gonna fuck the country up more if they try it. Try it if you want but our guns are not gonna be taken away. Anyways i dont have a gun somebody stole them all.
I agree but a no-knock raid with cops in ninja suits coming through the windows would be tough to constantly defend against. Luckily, I sold all my guns as well. Except for those I lost in that freak Kayak accident.
Hey face palm, what about cars? To many people are killed by cars. I think the government should establish a ‘national’ transportation system, where only the government owns/operates cars, and do away with private ownership.possession. It would be a much safer world.
Oh, BTW, all my guns were stolen last night. I didn’t see or hear anything, no sigh of forced entry. I didn’t call the police because they are to busy handling real crime to worry about ‘gun nuts’.
The founding fathers did not just intend for us to be able to protect our personal life and property. The founding fathers understood that as a country, we will not be able to stave off the march to tyranny by evil men if we cannot at least match the military muscle of our armed forces as a citizenry.
That is why we are able to take up arms to form a militia. Not only are we gun owners a hedge of protection against tyranny but we are also a hedge against any foreign nation that would seek to invade. Should the bulk of our military be involved in armed conflict overseas, our citizenry can still defend the homeland.
This is why we need higher powered weapons – sure a 6 shot .22 can help us protect our home. But a 30 round AR15, for example, will give us at least a little chance against an invading force.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO, Kiss my ass! Ain’t Gonna Happen! that’s all i have to say, yeah they’ll “Confiscate” the weapons and sell them at a profit to our enemies to add to their slush fund to keep their private wars up and running…. You all know the wars that are going on that CNN doesn’t mention. If we give them a hand they will take our whole arm. they take our whole arm they will take ore whole ownership period just like England! So that’s why I’ll only give them a finger……..
I really do believe that cars are the real problem ,every gang banger,serial killer,suicidal person has used a vehicle to carry out the act of violence so if we ban vehicles we might notice some one carrying multiple weapons and large amounts of ammo or they would get to tired before they carried out the act.So it is resonable that vehicles are the catalyst to all of this,yes ban all vehicles.
missy
cars are directly to blame for more deaths than guns. and so banning all cars would make just as much sence. but then the 2nd doesn”t protect cars
You guys crack me up. Seriously, you do.
We had an assault weapon ban before. It curtailed violence. It didn’t destroy the Constitution. You all still had your guns. China didn’t invade. Neither did Russia.
Again, you guys crack me up.
You, on the other hand, don’t crack me up at all. The AWB curtailed violence? Violent crime rates are currently at almost historic lows, which shouldn’t be the case considering we’ve been in an economic downturn. They should be up. Last I checked, the “Assault Weapons Ban” expired in 2004. How do you explain that?
exactly and the crime started to go down after the expiration of the 2004 BAN!
Psssst…if the overall crime rate goes down from 1994-2008, but the gun-related crime rate actually goes up from 2004-2008, does that make you look as stupid as I think it does?
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/firearmnonfataltab.cfm
I’m sorry, I’m interrupting your self-congratulatory circle-jerk of fail. Carry on.
You might want to look at the FBI Crime Data before you get so smug. Statistically there’s no difference in any violent crime rates between 2004 and 2005. Thanks for stopping by.
And I’m not talking about that statistic alone! That doesn’t show the whole picture! I’m talking all VIOLENT Crimes across the nation, With the exception of Chicago where there are rampant murders in that city, and guess what!…… The city’s law abiding population are not allowed to own a gun PERIOD never-mind a “Assault weapon”< -Which by the by is a weapon that fires an intermediate round and is SAFE/SEMI/FULL AUTO select fire! But enough about that little bit of constantly ignored truth. Back to Chicago the people there who want to live peacefully Can't defend themselves from Gangbangers whom manage to get any type of gun they want and always will! So if you have a brain you can deduct the simple fact that this will strip the law abiding populace from defending themselves if god forbid need be! Miss Finestein doesn't care and neither do any of those politicians because THEY have at least 6 guns guarding them at any given time, so why should they care about people whom do not make half a Mil a year and would like to protect their property and their LIFE! Which, "Think About This Now" is the right of all men/women including you!
How did the last assualt weapons ban reduce crime when we had the school shooting in Columbine also the bank robbers in LA using fully automatic weapons. So how did this work so well. It dosent work.
I notice you didn’t link to…anything…substantive…just “here’s the 2005 FBI data”. So, I actually had to…you know…look at the data…unlike you. So, do you mean the data that actually states the following:
“The estimated number of violent crime offenses in 2005 was 1,390,695, an increase of 2.3 percent over the 2004 estimate. The estimated number of property crimes in 2005 was 10,166,159, a 1.5-percent decrease over the 2004 estimate”
I’m allowed to be as smug as I want when I’m 100% correct, and when you’re being 100% disingenuous.
And I’m not talking about that statistic alone! That doesn’t show the whole picture! I’m talking all VIOLENT Crimes across the nation, With the exception of Chicago where there are rampant murders in that city, and guess what!…… The city’s law abiding population are not allowed to own a gun PERIOD never-mind a “Assault weapon”< -Which by the by is a weapon that fires an intermediate round and is SAFE/SEMI/FULL AUTO select fire! But enough about that little bit of constantly ignored truth. Back to Chicago the people there who want to live peacefully Can't defend themselves from Gangbangers whom manage to get any type of gun they want and always will! So if you have a brain you can deduct the simple fact that this will strip the law abiding populace from defending themselves if god forbid need be! Miss Finestein doesn't care and neither do any of those politicians because THEY have at least 6 guns guarding them at any given time, so why should they care about people whom do not make half a Mil a year and would like to protect their property and their LIFE! Which, "Think About This Now" is the right of all men/women including you!
Wait…YOU THINK IT’S ILLEGAL TO OWN A GUN IN CHICAGO?!? HA-HA-HA-HA!!! Oh my God, you guys are better than anything on TV for entertainment purposes. Yes, there are many restrictive laws in Chicago…but with a license, you can own as many guns as you’d like.
As far as Chicago crime statistics, have you actually LOOKED at them? Chicago’s violent crime rate is actually better than many areas where guns are prevalent, such as Kansas City and Milwaukee.
Please, think for yourself. Stop mouthing NRA talking points.
Oh, and you think Senator Feinstein gets Secret Service protection? Do you understand how the US government works?
I have seen an video where Fienstein said she carries a concealed weapon. This is the very person trying to disarm us.Why does she think her life is more important than every one elses.
Garret lose the attitude. The reason the link didn’t work is that the FBI site is using iframes, I didn’t notice the first time around. Get over yourself. What I meant to link to was the murder rates.
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html
Here’s a link to the summary I believe you quoted (this is me be disingenuous right?)
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/about/crime_summary.html
“From 2004 to 2005, the rate of violent crime, estimated at 469.2 violent offenses per 100,000 inhabitants, increased 1.3 percent, but the rate of property crime, estimated at 3,429.8 property offenses per 100,000 inhabitants, decreased 2.4 percent.”
When something increases or decreases a point or two, that statistically falls within the margin of error and is a negligible difference. A slight increase or decrease like this means nothing and neither proves NOR disproves how effective the AWB was.
What IS telling in my opinion is that we are currently experiencing near historic lows in violent crime rates, in an economic downturn, and the AWB has been expired for more than 8 years.
If you were right, then crime should have risen every year since 2005 and not gone back down, but that’s not what happened.
Right on Brandon!
Um…Brandon, you have a very, VERY weak knowledge of statistics. Margin of error is based on sampling size; these are overall statistics, so there’s no sampling size, thus, no margin of error. So, if one crime statistic is going down, and another is going up, what does that tell you?
And the rate of violent crime is not going down at the same rate as property crime…and it clearly has not gone down at the same rate it did during (ready for the big reveal?) the AWB.
Sorry, you’re not helping your case.
Focus Garret…why is violent crime at near historic lows? Shouldn’t it have gone up, year after year, and stayed up?
No, Brando, it shouldn’t. Quick comparison:
I own a retail store and I sell a variety of items. I track the sales of all these are going up, and then a recession hits and sales plummet. But then, the sales of all but one are improving at a 5% pace, and the sales of that one are in the 1% range. What do you conclude…that the sales on that one item are actually doing just fine, or that it’s far worse than the other nine?
You know the answer…come on, you can say it.
Not a great illustration in my opinion. Violent crime is down across the board and has been for years.
Chicago’s murder spree of 19.4 per 100,000 is more than three times that of New York’s (6 per 100,000) and more than two and a half times of Los Angeles’ (7.5 per 100,000), its closest American competitors. Caracas, Venezuela, which apparently is not an Alpha world city–thank you Hugo Chavez–has a higher murder rate of 130 per 100,000.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/chicago_ranks_1_as_the_deadliest_alpha_world_city.html#ixzz2GJjxEXiL
Hey, Obscura, you know what NYC and LA have in common?
STRICT GUN LAWS!!!
But no, you guys don’t talk about the gun laws that have an impact on crime…no, you only care about shouting Chicago as loud as you can, neglecting the fact that, again, their crime rate isn’t as bad as you make it out to be.
You’re missing the point douchebag, if gun control worked, crime rates in Chicago would resemble crime rates in New York.
NYC and LA are not as strict as Chicago, predictably their rates are lower. How about Juarez Mexico with 148 per 100,000 vs El Paso, with .8 per 100,000. The two cities are connected, with the US/Mexico border as the dividing line. In Juarez the citizens are disarmed and the drug cartels rule. The cartels also operate in El Paso but the citizens are armed. (many with concealed handgun licenses)
If you do not care to have a gun, fine, but you do not speak for me. I speak for me. You are living in la-la land if you beleave a deranged person who wants to harm other people will not because of this kind of treatment by our government of its citizens you are so wrong. Please just mind your own busness please.
So what you’re telling me is that myself and others who have served HONORABLY in the United States Military defending everyones freedoms… We have done so, so that a few silver tongued politicians can sweet talk everyone into believing their lies… and that’s exactly what they are; lies and deceit…they tell you that they don’t want guns in our schools on the sides of trained and licensed teachers or armed security personnel at public schools; yet at their private schools were their children go to, there are armed Security or Police stationed there…(look it up…these are facts they don’t want you to know)
But we Don’t have the right to own these weapons and others like them to defend ourselves, our families and friends…we can’t own these same weapons that our local, state and federal politicians are guarded by everyday… and in the same instant they feel safe; with their life guarded by a semi automatic pistol and/ or rifle; as they’re being protected by these weapons they are telling us they’re going to take these weapons away from us… and for some reason you think that’s alright…
Stand up and exercise your Rights before you blindly give them away…
Its Your Right, its every tax paying, law abiding Citizens Right to own and bear arms…whether its for protection, hunting or sport…Its your Right…
Being able to go out with family and friends; hunting or just target and competition shooting; makes me feel proud to be an American. Grateful that I live in a Country where the ability to handle, own and carry a firearm is “not restricted” to those outside of Military Service. The Right to Bear Arms was and is given to all Americans when the Bill of Rights was drawn up in 1789 and voted into effect or ratified in 1791.
Join those of us who exercises and appreciates all of our Rights and Liberties granted to us, as well as exercised by our founding forefathers…Be proud to use your 1st Amendment Right and stand up for your/ our 2nd Amendment Right…
Why don’t you take a step from out behind the wall, take your blinders off and go pick up a firearm; go to a legal shooting range; consult an expert who can instruct you as to the proper and safe way to handle a firearm. Then go further and rent a firearm and shoot 1 for the first time before you pass judgement on something you’ve never even experienced…look around at rifles, pistols and shotguns ask questions…handle them…ask about trying one or more out for comfort and safety… it does not matter which style… Preferably multiples of them from each category; so you can make an informed decision on which weapon best suits you…Or try going to one of your friends or family who owns a fire arm/s and ask them to take you shooting pistol, rifle and or shotguns. Let a trusted loved one assist you…
But try to go into it open minded and remember that even if you don’t like the experience or you just aren’t comfortable with it…It takes time, studying, skill and safety development…just like driving a car…
Also it’s a time proven fact… that in your moment of need when seconds count…the police are only minutes away! So wouldn’t you rather have a means to defend yourself and hold someone at bay until the police could arrive or take care of that problem/ threat yourself…
There is another saying that goes hand in hand with that last 1…I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6…or it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6… and if you don’t understand that; judged by 12 means sitting in a courtroom as a jury decides your fate; as opposed to carried by 6 which means you’re in a coffin and 6 of your closest family and friends are carrying you to your graveside because you died unable to defend yourself…
Please help me understand. what’s wrong with registering your guns with finger prints and serial numbers we do register our cars we do have photo identification to prove we have a license to drive. We don’tdo that because one day the. ” man”. is going to take our cars. we d that to protect society as a whole. It’s a great system. so why not do that for guns.. why can’t there be laws if your on an anti -psychotic meds you don’t get to own a gun. just like if you have ellipsy you don’t get to drive a car . why can’t we use common sense with gun control with out flipping out. why can’t gun owners look what’s best for society as a whole and make comprises. In stead of stomping their feet and shaking their fists and say nothing will work its all about my rights. our world this country is changing growing everyday. sometimes laws have to be made to protect it citizens. I hope that those on both side of the issue really sit down and think what’s better for this nation as a whole instead of your own personal liberties. I believe true reform can be made in all aspects. Ie: school security, mental health reform, gun reforms, and personal accountability. If you love your country you will focus on making this world better for our children. work together in stead of dividing. I will pray that everyone in this country wakes up and focuses on the big picture.
First of all, this is WAY more than registration. This is banning most types of firearms, including most semiautomatic handguns. Let’s be clear up front.
Second, registration, historically, has ALWAYS led to confiscation. Period.
And no, we don’t register our cars to “protect society as a whole”, we do it as a form of taxation.
“why can’t there be laws if your on an anti -psychotic meds you don’t get to own a gun” – what does this have to do with banning guns, or forcing people to register their guns?
“sometimes laws have to be made to protect it citizens” – tell me, how would this law have protected the children of Sandy Hook? Did the last “Assault Weapons” ban protect the children of Columbine?
Missy, you sound like you mean well, but you have no idea what you’re talking about.
We register cars not only for taxations. it also helps with crimes. have you ever had a car stolen? Guess how its confirmed that the car is yours? Answer vin number.! Do you think if your on anti pychotic meds should you own a gun ? Again gun ownerrship is a huge responsibility. this is where gun owners need to speak up and say no way should mentally ill should not own a gun period. Its common sense. if you live with a mentally ill person you do not to teach them to load a weapon, shoot a weapon. if society doesn’t have comnen sense then we need to have some type if laws for those lacking common sense. I would think gun ownners above anyone would want the same. This is where your voice and knowledge come into play. If your honest with yourself you know they’re people who shouldn’t own a guns. I guess what I’m saying is instead of saying this won’t work find out what will work. ie:
mentally ill and felons should not own gun that’s where registering will help. just like a license you can’t buy plates for your car if you do not have a valid license. yeah people will do it illegally. but at least it will be illegal and traceable. more accountability. on the part of gun owners. Selling guns privately should have to.go thru registeration just like you do with a car. It’s a way of avoiding complete ban of guns altogether. Get involved with a solution. No laws are made yet instead of saying what won’t work. I may not know everything but what I do know changes are on its way. so we can work.together for the best solution possible or we can bicker like children.
Missy, have you ever been face to face with an armed criminal? I have, that criminal shot me point blank while tring to rob me. Weeks later that same man broke into a 70 yr old womans house and raped, robed, and killed her. If I would have had a gun I may have been able to stop him the day he shot me and that womans grandchildren wouldn’t have had to see how brutally that man beat her to death with the pistol he stole. The difference between registering a car and a gun is that you can’t put that car in your pocket after stealing it and walk in to a place and start running people over. A criminal is far less likely to pull a gun if they know they may get shot by a person legally carring a gun. That is fact. I now carry a gun everywhere I go and I’ve gone through the proper training. No matter what laws they put on the books it still will not stop a bad guy from doing harm. If you get rid of guns they’ll use bombs. They will always find a way to do their dirty deeds. I would normally never wish anyones life to be in danger, but in this case I think you and everyone that supports gun control should have to look down the barrel of a criminals gun and then see if you want to own a gun.
Realize that illegal guns are not traceable. Bad guys will still have weapons so what is their to trace. I carry specifically for my families protection from idiots. I have no problem with protecting another life either. I agree anyone with any type of mental condition should not be able to own nor posses a gun. Which means if you are a parent of a mentally unstable child your guns should be locked up in a combination safe. Felons should not be allowed either. No matter what they will find a way to get firearms though. Most gun owners are very responsible as I am and I don’t see why if I have a gun that I need to register it or be told what type of weapon I can own. You want me to register a semi auto so called assault rifle I would agree with that. But leave my hand guns alone. Don’t tell me how many rounds it can hold either as long as I am using the guns natural clip capacity. I am not a criminal. I am a military member and I live by the law. Their are bigger fish to fry in this country but just like when 9-11 happened the focus went away. Now this shooting and we have a government that can’t even agree on a budget which could potentially cost many people their jobs. Two wars sank this country and a country like China flourishes selling all of its products to us through trade. Lay off the gun control and focus on bigger issues.
I do not want to ban guns think its common sense to register guns . I think it makes sense to do extensive back rounds checks and if you sell your gun to whoever you want you have to register it legally . just use common sense . nothing complicated. protection yes. overkill no
I suggest you brush up on history.
The world is not black or white. We have to learn and grow. what worked 300 years ago may not work now. What is so wrong about figuring out away to give citizens the right to protect themselves and at least not allow mentally ill and fellons to legally buy guns. Ive always been afraid of those who refuse to address any problems or come up with any solutions. We have to look at history but we also need to make a better future for our children. You simply can not put your head in the sand and believe everything is great. Again its called working together to make a safer world for our children. I’m trying find out from those who posted in this walk of what we should do.
We already have laws that prevent the mentally ill and felons from buying guns. Your “save the children” talk is exactly why we’re screwed. People like you will do whatever you’re told by the corrupt politicians and news outlets, as long as they lie to you and tell you “it’s for the children”.
And before you ask, I’m a father.
I guess what I’m saying is what kind of future do you want? Where I carry my gun in my purse ready to shoot any nut job with a gun to protect my children. That is exactly what is going to happen in the near future. I don’t want that for my children.when I was growing UPI didn’t have to worry about getting shot at school , at the mall, at the movies. I think we have an obligation to protect the innocent and really address violence in this country . There really is no point to a constitution if we can’t enjoy the freedom going to the movies, schools, churches or the mall without getting gunned down. we are a great country and I know we can do better for our children.
I carry a gun all day everyday, so that’s not the future for me, it’s the present. People have been carrying weapons to protect themselves since the beginning of mankind. Why? Because evil has existed on this planet since the beginning of mankind. You cannot legislate your way out of that truism.
The words of Jesus, Luke 22:36, NIV:
“But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
I carry a gun all day everyday, so that’s not the future for me, it’s the present. People have been carrying weapons to protect themselves since the beginning of mankind. Why? Because evil has existed on this planet since the beginning of mankind. You cannot legislate your way out of that truism.
The words of Jesus, Luke 22:36, NIV:
To fight with stupid people on here is ok, but the media and our own government is waging a war on guns and our second amendment. Write, call, or e-mail your congressmen or women and tell them this must not happen. Get the word out by contacting other states congressmen. Call or email the White House. Get everyone you know involved. This is it people, time to stand with the NRA and other groups in this war of words for our Right to Bear Arms.
I can understand the argument the other side is putting up, it’s not hard to imagine at all. I think in the end they will be right, but not today. They are constantly taking steps to some utopian society which will simply never exist. This is the real world, and in this world bad guys have guns. So long as the bad guys have guns, there is a fundamental need for the good guys to have guns. Our government is the best there is, which really makes you wonder sometimes, and is far from perfect. Our founding fathers protected our right to protect ourselves from tyranny in all it’s forms, why should we w recklessly abandon such great foresight out of fear, and reality is no government has ever lasted forever. We like to call ourselves civilized, are we really? Anyone else remember Katrina? A few days without food and water and the fabric of our “civilized” society comes crashing down. Everyone wants to take away the very tool used to forge this nation, I think it may be the only tool to keep it held together.
The one thing criminals fear most is getting shot by an armed victim. The more people carry concealed, the higher the probability you are going to get shot if you attack one of them. The beauty is that it works for everyone, even those who choose not to carry a gun. In paces with lots of concealed carry licenses, crime is at historic lows. There are other crimes that can be committed without risk of getting shot. Identity theft for example. If you could choose, which would you prefer to have violated, your daughter’s identity or her virginity?
so your solution is to have mire guns and encourage everyone to carry a concealed weapon . cc so more guns is the solution.
My solution to what exactly?
wow! reading what missy and that dumbass garret said has just exhausted me and i feel like i lost a few IQ points. but its the sort of talk from liberals. save our children speech doesnt work cause if they really wanted to save our children then why did they cut funding from the police dept to put a officer in the schools? answer me that one.. missy you mean well but you must be blond. no offence. and garret with all due respect your a moron.
I didn’t cut funding to anything . I’m just one person trying to understand what gun owners believe. I simply asked your if your answer to gun restrictions is for everyone to carry a concealed weopon. Everyone and anyone should be allowed as many guns as they want because its their right. I just wanted to make sure I understood all of you. The answer to gun violence is less restrictions not more restrictions.
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” – The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution. I will defend it, will you? Our elected leaders took an oath to defend the very same Constitution. If they are men and women of honor they will vote against any proposals that infringe on our rights. If they choose not to honor their oath I will find others who are more worthy of my vote.
As for concealed carry. I choose to do so, you may not. In fact, most people will not. The beauty of concealment is the bad guys can’t tell the difference. They don’t know who is carrying and who is not. What they do know is that if they’re in an area with lots of concealed handgun licensees, there is a high probability they will encounter deadly force when carrying out their work. Criminals are not stupid. They want the best odds possible so they seek out “gun free zones” where they know there is little chance of armed resistance.
Criminals are obtaining guns on the black market without restrictions. I’d like to defend my family with the same kinds of guns the military and police choose since the same criminals they fight are walking the streets in my city. If my door gets kicked in by three cartel goons, high on meth, I want as much ammo capacity as possible because it’s one versus many.
One more thing. I’m going to ask you to pay attention to news of successful defensive gun use. It happens everyday and they make news on the local level. Lives are being saved by ordinary citizens who carry, often without firing a shot. The Clackamas Mall rampage was ended by a civilian who drew down on the shooter who made eye contact and then ran off and killed himself. When the next mass shooting occurs, count the days since the last one and know that more lives are being saved than lost.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/we-stand-as-one-contact-congress-on-guns-email-your-contacts/
To all who say this cannot happen, wake up, Thr DHS has been establisher for just this sort of operation, Civil Un-Rest, Remember an Anti-Gun president was just re-elected. Wake up America
The thing is that most people do not realize is that if the AR platform and other semiautomatic firearms are banned there will be hundreds of thousands of people out of jobs here in the US. Not to mention hundreds of small and medium sized businesses will have to close their doors, most of which are veteran owned and operated. What do you think that will do to the economy?
And for people like missy if you buy a firearm from a licensed shop you have to complete a back round check to purchase one and if you are a convicted felon you cannot purchase a firearm.
felons purchase their firearms off of the street there is no way to control that except to create the fear that they may be trying to rob someone that is armed. police officers have too much to do while being under staffed due to budget cuts and cannot keep up with crime rates and majority of the jails around the country are at max capacity so a lot of criminals are booked and released the same day. that leaves people like myself and the others that conceal carry on a daily basis provide protection for our families, ourselves, and the people around us.
I know if you buy your gun say at your local Gander mountain you have to register it. I realize they do hack round checks. I’ve heard though that you can buy guns at gun shows with back round checks. I’ve also heard you can buy ammo on line. Maybe I’ve been misinformed.
You’re partially correct.
You don’t have to “register your guns” if you buy from Gander Mountain or anyone else.
You can purchase a gun from someone in your same state without a background check. This is also commonly referred to as a private transfer. The only stipulation is that you cannot sell a gun to someone you know is not able to legally own a gun.
The gun show has nothing to do with it, it’s just more media hype. 99% of the guns sold at gun shows are sold by gun shops (FFL holders) and they go through the exact same process at the gun show that they do at the gun shop.
Yes you can buy ammo online.