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California Gun Confiscation Bill Passes

Last week California legislature passed SB-140 titled Firearms: prohibited persons. The bill approves $24 million to expedite the confiscation of the estimated 40,000 handguns and so-called “assault weapons” illegally owned by Californians. So what illegally possessed firearms are they confiscating, exactly?

The bill text, in rare form, is actually pretty easy to read and understand. I know, shocking right? At any rate, the bill is all about funding. The bill “allows the Department of Justice to utilize additional Dealers’ Record of Sale Special Account funds for the limited purpose of addressing the current Armed Prohibited Persons System (APPS) backlog” to confiscate firearms from individuals that are listed in APPS.


So what is APPS, and how do you get listed in the system? For those of you who don’t live in California, here you go:

Established in 2007, APPS cross-references criminal, domestic violence restraining order and mental health history records, among other prohibited category data, with records of all handgun owners and assault weapon and .50 BMG rifle registrants in the state on or after January 1, 1991, to identify those persons who have subsequently become prohibited from owning or possessing firearms.

So essentially, a fee that Californians pay when they purchase a firearm (called a Dealer Record of Sale fee) is being used to fund the confiscation of firearms of people who find themselves listed in APPS.

I’m not a big fan of this program or SB-140, not by a long shot, but it’s important to keep things in perspective, especially when it seems like politicians are coming after our guns every time we turn around. This isn’t flat out firearms confiscation.

That isn’t to say that this program is harmless, because it’s not. Now that the program has funding, I think it provides a framework that will absolutely be abused and used to take away firearms from law-abiding citizens, the only question is when. The biggest risk I see in the short term is the system being used to take away firearms from veterans who have been diagnosed with PTSD.

Let’s all hope that California isn’t that stupid.

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87 Responses to California Gun Confiscation Bill Passes

  1. Eric Lopez April 22, 2013 at 6:59 pm #

    Is straight up outrageous. I cannot believe they are getting away with this!

    • Iceman April 23, 2013 at 2:08 pm #

      how is it outrageous to confiscate firearms from morons who aint suppose to posses them … Its not brain surgery genius ….Take away from the fucken criminals who aint suppose to handle them.. In the case of veterans than yes that is outrageous for them to take the firearms from PTSD patients if they are handing them right..

      • NVue April 23, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

        As someone who lives in the state and understands what is going on, it is BULLSHIT! The DROS fee laws were set in place to cover the upkeep of the DROS system. If there’s a 25 million dollar surplus in the DROS account then that means that Californians have been overcharged since the beginning of the DROS system so the DROS fees needs to drop significantly to balance the account. Do I agree that criminals need to have their guns confiscated? Of course I do but it needs to be funded from the General Account from the state so that everyone in the state bears the burden of keeping guns out of a criminals hand. Why should it only be gun owners who bear the burden for the rest of the state? We want bad guys to not have guns just as much as the anti gunner wants bad guys not to have guns.

        • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 7:10 pm #

          Anyone who actually believes they can take guns from the hands of ONLY the criminals are delusional! Criminals dont buy guns from gun stores, they get them by robbing, stealing, and buying them from other criminals! If everyone had guns, the stupid criminals wouldnt stand a snowballs chance in hell of of getting away with such behavior! ~ Would you rob someone if you knew that EVERYONE around you (in their homes AND on the streets) was armed? The number of IDIOTS would decline sharply! Make the penalty for “gun crimes” tougher, NO EARLY RELEASE FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR! IF SOMEONE KILLS MORE THAN ONE PERSON THEY GET THE DEATH PENALTY “IMMEDIATELY”! And for the record, * ANTI GUNNERS DONT WANT PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF ANY FIREARMS *. And we know that the police wont show up until you are already dead! And who came up with the plan to use the money in the DROS system to fund this fiasco? Sounds like someone PLANNED to get that money one way or another, talk about CRIMINALS!

          • Nvue April 23, 2013 at 8:36 pm #

            The idea was put out there by the piece of shit in San Francisco. Nobody want’s it and gun owners deserve a refund for being raped in DROS fees. I understand the whole point of criminals don’t buy guns from gun stores, but the APPS system is designed to go after those who were once law abiding citizens turned criminals.

      • allen mercer April 23, 2013 at 3:24 pm #

        Its not brain surgery, if you could get the guns away from the criminals I would agree with it, BUT if you really think you will then you are going to badly mistaken… There is no way you will ever take guns away from criminals, they will find a way to get them all they are doing is making it easier for the criminal to commit crimes because there will be no defense out there. Just like making them illegal, they made drugs illegal and they are worse now than ever and there are new drugs on the market daily, drinking and driving is illegal and look how many die daily from drunk drivers. If you don’t want a gun don’t buy one, but make it a harder back ground check and finger prints and birth certificates or any way that it takes to make it harder to get guns but those of us that are legal and of age leave us alone, I will defend myself and my family or die trying before I let anyone hurt them so I will carry as I do now every day, like it or not!!

        • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 7:14 pm #

          We dont have to take the guns away from the criminals, they DIE when the try to perpetrate a gun crime because they got SHOT IN THE FACE! This must be too simple for people to understand…..

        • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 7:22 pm #

          Making it more difficult to get a gun is NOT the answer! Make the penalty for unlawful sale tougher! Should we ban automobiles? More people die from car crashes than guns!

      • dski April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm #

        Why is it outrageous? Because it is people in their 20’s or in their teens that have done all these mass killings. No one older has done this. Why? Because anyone older than that has figured out to speak up if their meds are making them insane enough to murder. Those younger are also probably on different meds that are more controlled by their parents. By 30 everyone basucally controls their own meds.

        • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 7:41 pm #

          Hey dski, do some research before you make stuff up like this…..

      • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

        Get rid of the criminals, not the guns! In case you havent noticed, the criminals wont walk up and turn themselves in. Criminals dont care about laws, they do what they want. If they got shot in the head when they tried to rob people, there would be a lot less “SCUMBAGS” to be concerned about. Who wants to wait for a veteran to snap and hurt his self or another? If he doesnt “handle them right..”, its too damn late and somebody gets hurt or killed! ~WHO IS THE GENIUS NOW?~

      • Tom April 23, 2013 at 9:04 pm #

        Classy iceman. Real classy.

      • Josslen April 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm #

        Hi, these bills (there are about 10 of them), will make my husband and I felons. We have never broken a law, and never aim to. We are parents. We pay taxes. And now we will be felons on multiple accounts. Please read all the bills the senate public safety commity of california passed late one night by a 5 – 2 majority. 5 people voted for sweeping legislation and confiscation that can apply to millios of californians. My husband has never been arrested nor ordained, but had his tattoos documented by the police at a music festival. He was doing nothing, but they made his leave, sit down on a curb, ask him questions, then let him go back inside. He is very law abaiding. He has a celtic cross tattoo. His mother is a policed officer. She looked him up, and in a data base it now lists him as a possible member of a criminal gang – which is not and has never been. Now, he will be a FELON on january 1st if we stay in Kalifornia when these bills go into affect, becasue you may not own a firearm if you ‘have disobedience to the terms of an injunction that restrains the activities of a criminal street gang’. If you can read, you will see this is obtuse and can be applied many ways. That is the actual text from one of the bills passed by 5 people. YOU HAVE TO READ WHAT YOU SUPPORT DUMMY!!!!

      • DeZwarteMaan May 17, 2013 at 9:03 am #

        You read the domestic violence part. That’s not a criminal… that’s 2 domestic partners getting mad and having neighbors call the police on them. restraining orders are when 1 takes out an order in the courts verse another. When I got divorced, my ex took out a restrainng order against me.. and we’d never even yelled at each other, much less got physical?.. it’s because her lawyer told her to do it… So theoretically any divorced person who had a spouse take a RO against them?… mental health history records… so anyone who ever went to a psychologist for ANY reason? stress disorders? I mean… that can be a very broad term.

  2. Devonne April 22, 2013 at 7:07 pm #

    Are you kidding me. What is going on in this country. Sad time for America when those that fought for us come home to be disarmed for their service. Not to mention those that don’t know they have become ineligible to have a gun and have invested time and money into their love for guns. Sad days to come people. This country is being sold out by politicians and gun fear mongers. All of you for these laws will reap what you sow just like the UK that is trying to get their guns back. WAKE UP AMERICA PLEASE.

  3. aaronymous April 22, 2013 at 7:19 pm #

    As a Californian strongly considering fleeing occupied territory, I wouldn’t put anything past our Democrat SuperMajority controlled state.

    • Michael Bulger April 22, 2013 at 10:51 pm #

      I left california long ago and live in the free state of Kansas now. If I were you, I would move my guns out of state until I could relocate permanently.

      • capndad April 23, 2013 at 10:58 am #

        You are a wise man Mr. Michael Bulger. You would do well to listen to that sage advice Mr. aaronymous.

      • DeZwarteMaan May 17, 2013 at 9:04 am #

        Right? Move to Texas! The State that told Mexico to “Come and Take it!” when they came to take our Cannons. hahahaha

    • WTF April 23, 2013 at 11:32 am #

      A word to the wise here…. if you do leave occupied territory for greener pastures, I wish you the best of luck! However, when you get where you’re going, please think before you vote. Over the past 30 years Arizona has welcomed thousands of Kalifornia refugees only to watch in horror as our legislative seystem regresses to resemble that bain of our existance more every day. Food for thought…

      • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

        Hey WTF, If you think the voting system in our country is working you might want to remove your blindfold. Its a boring movie but go to and watch the movie, and stop blaming your fellow man for the actions of government thugs.

  4. Jason April 22, 2013 at 7:20 pm #

    If I were you guys, I’d be packing up right now.

  5. thebronze (@thebronze) April 22, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    We’ve proven time after time that we are…

  6. jah315 April 22, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    It’s because the state is bankrupt and will soon have to start cutting social services. Local politicians are probably terrified what the welfare state will do when they start figuring out the government handouts they’re used to, start to end.

  7. cabezon April 22, 2013 at 7:34 pm #

    So they are using a list of registered weapons to confiscate them. hmm. sounds exactly like we said it would go.

  8. Chris Mcneil April 22, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    i say all commiefornians stop paying all local,state,and federal taxes and bankrupt the state in protest.i would pack up and move ASAP and i wouldnt be surprised to see a mass exodus of californians to other states.

    • Ryan April 23, 2013 at 2:35 am #

      They can stay in cali.. we don’t need the free states infested with californaism..

      • Walter April 23, 2013 at 11:44 am #

        Agreed! Let them stay in the hell THEY created! Damn libs, it’s just like them to find blame in others when their philosophy backfires and their socialist scum society completely craters. Don’t bring your taint to my state.

      • Johnny April 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

        Your brain needs to be infested with an education.

      • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

        what an ignorant worm…

      • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 8:09 pm #

        If you dont reside in california what are you so afraid of? If people LEAVE there, then they are obviously not the problem. People who claim to live in the “free” states are not FREE at all if others like them cant seek refuge there as well. Guess you hadnt though of that….

  9. mike b April 22, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

    Obviously, CA feels that something that JUST HAPPENED in Boston couldn’t possibly happen there. In the event that some guy armed to the teeth kicks down your door instead of hiding in your boat, you should calmly pick up your phone, call 911, listen to the hold music for 20 mins, and wait for the police to come save you.

  10. Jamfish April 22, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

    California will see your bet and raise you 4 Dianne Feinsteins and 2 Sacramentos

  11. Steven L Sparks April 22, 2013 at 8:03 pm #

    I have a huge issue with the domestic violence restraining order. Any divorced man knows an ex with an axe to grind can make up ANYTHING and cause you problems. After my ex got her restraing order Ex Parte, she then broke into my apartment twice. My offence, not having the money for a lawyer.

    • john April 23, 2013 at 11:59 am #

      i can 2nd that one. my ex came home drunk, me and the kids were sleeping, and she came in and jumped on the bed punching and kicking. When i got away from her i ran to the kids room and locked the door. She called police and said i beat her. NO marks on here and my face and body had marks on me. But because i was male and she was female, I was proven guilty till proven innocent. You just never know the truth unless you are the one living it. And yes an Ex parte is something a lawyer will tell the women to do to help the battle and they are hard to fight, no matter if they are for truth or not.

    • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 8:19 pm #

      Actually, you should have slapped a restraining order on her after the first time, or better still, dial 911 as you detain her at you place for “unlawful entry”, that would have been much more gratifying! Why is it so difficult to be just 10% smarter than what or who you are dealing with?

  12. Wayne Hill April 22, 2013 at 8:10 pm #

    And like all communist Dictatorships they’ll probably have loyal troopers posted on the STATE’S borders shooting those who try to EXIT the STATE! Anyone want to start a pool on which States’ citizens rise up in revolt first and when?

    • Tom April 23, 2013 at 9:08 pm #

      New York, and by next April.

  13. billy jack April 22, 2013 at 8:32 pm #

    Fools in Ca get what they deserve. Disarmed sheep. I pity them.

    • Devon April 22, 2013 at 10:14 pm #

      this is why all my guns r bought in AZ

    • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 8:29 pm #

      Humans are stupid because the government is corrupt? Why blame the sheep for the shepherds ignorance? Dont pity them, take them under your wing! Make allies, we have ENOUGH enemies as it is. Change your OWN attitude before you complain about someone elses.

  14. n April 22, 2013 at 8:33 pm #

    time to relieve the polititians of their duty….

    • n April 22, 2013 at 8:34 pm #


  15. Charles April 22, 2013 at 8:36 pm #

    Hope their not that stupid? Seriously? They have so many damn laws they might as well be a country all their own. The only place in the world that has a 55 MPH speed limit across hundreds of miles of desert! Are you kidding me!?! Of course they are gonna abuse it and Fienstien will see to it. Thank god I live in Louisiana. Hell even as a truck driver, over the last 5 years I have refused ALL loads going anywhere in the state. The new england states are fixing to be next.

    • tom April 22, 2013 at 10:26 pm #

      which highway is this? You really just made that up

      • Mike April 23, 2013 at 11:19 am #

        It’s for autos with trailers , which is confusing wording in itself. Most of their interstate is 75, or 55 for autos with trailers. The I-10 is this way. It’s a money grab scheme!

      • M Skowronski April 23, 2013 at 2:01 pm #

        Tom. Pick a highway. Any Highway. The speed limit for commercial vehicles (CMV or TRUCK) in the state of California is 55mph. Period. All Highways.

  16. 27 Words April 22, 2013 at 9:09 pm #

    The State of California got caught with its fingers in the “surplus DROS fees” cookie jar and had to replace that source with legitimate funding. A fee by law cannot exceed the cost of administering the program for which the fee is collected…or else it’s a TAX.

    • jurmond April 23, 2013 at 3:15 am #

      “The bill allows the Department of Justice to utilize additional Dealers’ Record of Sale Special Account funds for the limited purpose of addressing the current Armed Prohibited Persons System (APPS) backlog to confiscate firearms from individuals that are listed in APPS.”

      What legitimate funding? They’re just making it official to raid the DROS surplus.

  17. Principlex April 22, 2013 at 9:34 pm #

    California is now a totalitarian state. The extent is a matter of time.

  18. Bryon Rogers April 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    Its bad enough California is broke but they have enough to do this???? Its against the law but hey… Their the govy… If they dont like the rules they change them…VIVA THE REVOLUTION!!!!!!

  19. William Reich April 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm #

    This is why registration, in ANY form is so inherently dangerous to our Second Amendment Rights. There is NO provision in the Second Amendment to deny ANYONE the RIGHT to possess a firearm. There is nothing in this legislation that will keep firearms out of the hands of violent criminals, who re-offend time & time again. Yet, in California, it is the law of the land
    What angers me the most, gun owners in California are now in the position of not receiving mental health assistance or losing their gun rights. Not only the Veterans, but the Police, Firemen, & other First Responders who face unimaginable terrors & horrors day in & day out. If they seek out Mental Health assistance then they too run the all to real risk of losing their Fire Arms RIGHTS. These are people who are more than likrly of NO danger to themselves, let alone anyone else.
    As we have already seen, if a family member living in the same home has any sort of Mental Health issues, then EVERYONE in that home loses their Second Amendment Rights. There appears to be little or no legal recourse. These are not people that have been declared of unsound mind by a competent Court, but based simply on their availing themselves to the help of a Psychologist or the opinion of some less than well trained mental health worker.

  20. James Gragg April 22, 2013 at 9:59 pm #

    Oh, Californians ARE “that stupid.” I mean after all, they’ve elected Dianee Fienstien, as well as a whole slug of other active socialist, or avowed communists, to congress.

    • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm #

      As if the voting process is valid in our country! You should go to and watch the boring movie! The election process in the U.S. is nothing short of criminal. What good is the “average joe” vote if the electoral college makes the REAL selection? Its an ~illusion~, like most of the “American Dream”. Dont blame your fellow man for the actions of corrupt government garbage! They want us to stay “busy” fighting with one another rather than fighting against them, they hate competition/resistance!

  21. Coupon April 22, 2013 at 10:05 pm #

    Were all next

    • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 8:48 pm #

      With an attitude like that, you certainly will be next. Change your thinking and change your own future!

  22. Hillbilly Bob April 22, 2013 at 10:13 pm #

    Encircle the cities, starve them out haaaa won’t work I know but damn it a guy can hope

  23. 'Merica April 22, 2013 at 10:15 pm #

    Wow calm down guns kill people. They are bad, Europe does good without them.

    • Ed McCoy April 23, 2013 at 8:40 am #

      I have owned guns since I was probably 6 yrs old and never once has one of them ran off and killed someone. Guns don’t kill, people kill with guns, knifes, bombs, strangle, baseball bats, etc.

    • Rick April 23, 2013 at 10:02 am #

      Your name is now on the mentally ill registration for that completely ignorant remark. Now that your name is on a government list, how’s it feel.

    • America April 23, 2013 at 11:09 am #

      shut up and suck start a shotgun.

    • Bob Areddy April 23, 2013 at 11:39 am #

      That’s true, they all do good enslaving their own people in Europe.

    • M Skowronski April 23, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

      Sorry? Europe?? Wanna read up on that and get back to us?

    • bob patriot April 23, 2013 at 9:11 pm #

      No GUN has ever escaped from a gun store and killed one single person. Only when used by human beings is a gun capable of causing death. A gun cant load itself, a gun cant aim itself, a gun cant pull its own trigger, and a gun doesnt have a brain capable of complex thought! More people in the U.S. die from automobile accidents than guns. If it wasnt for guns, your “freedom” here wouldnt even exist. I guess `Merica failed history class. If you dont like it here you can move to europe too, the sooner the better. Need money for a “one way” ticket? If not, dont buy a gun and LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE, its none of your business if we keep our families (and yours) safe from harm.

  24. Lola1692 April 22, 2013 at 10:45 pm #

    I don’t own a fire arm but the Gov. Is way out of their mind!! Wait a min they don’t have one and we cali people need to fight for our rights we are equal to all states so why do we always get stuck with the damn rules way over the standards!!!

  25. Tony April 22, 2013 at 11:25 pm #

    That is unconstitutional and they know it !

  26. jurmond April 23, 2013 at 3:08 am #

    You fail to explain in the article that the DROS charges $35 per gun purchase to do a background check. That $24 million of extra money was taken from legal gun buyers/traders by over charging us for our background checks. Using this fund for anything but background checks goes against state law. The law (that they’re breaking) was designed to prevent hidden taxes created by over charging people for licenses, permits, & such – which is EXACTLY what they’re doing.

    • Brandon April 23, 2013 at 2:49 pm #

      Pretty sure I did explain that actually – “So essentially, a fee that Californians pay when they purchase a firearm (called a Dealer Record of Sale fee) is being used to fund the confiscation of firearms…”

  27. Josh April 23, 2013 at 7:21 am #

    Fight back, California! We are givin’ them hell here in NY, with lawsuits, rallies of 12,000 in the capital Albany to say Repeal NY SAFE Act, we’re calling/emailing representatives, signing petitions and they’re starting to back down! See? : “Senator Ranzenhofer calls for SAFE Act repeal”

  28. W Sukowski April 23, 2013 at 8:11 am #

    Just waiting for one person to explain to me…and don’t hide behind the right to bear arms statement… Why does a law abiding person need an uzi or mack10 or any automatic weapon. I have no problem with guns, having owned many in my 50+ years, but seriously, I don’t think the right to bear arms ever intended it to include automatic assault weapons etc. This is a case where the law is a little outdated and needs to be revised to catch up to the times. Remember, this law was put on the books over 100 years ago when ALL guns could only fire one shot at a time, not like ARs and AKs which can now fire in excess of 2600 rounds per minute. Common sense should apply.

    • Brandon April 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm #

      The right to bear arms was intended to mean the same weapons used by the common soldier, and the Supreme Court agrees.

      In United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), the Supreme Court ruled that the [Second] amendment “[protects arms that had a] reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”.

    • KB April 26, 2013 at 9:55 am #

      An unmodified AR-15 is not fully automatic, but if it were could only fire 800 rounds per minute. As a semi auto rifle it is only really capable of effectively shooting 50-60 rounds per minute. Reality should apply!

      ” Why does a law abiding person need an uzi or mack10 or any automatic weapon.”
      (fully auto weapons are already Highly regulated and are close to impossible to LEGALLY Acquire)

      Because a handgun wouldn’t be an effective tool for fighting a tyrannical Govt. armed with fully automatic weapons, tanks, rocket launchers, drones Etc.

      Question for you…Do you know anyone who LEGALLY owns a MAC10 or an UZI ???
      Probably not.

      And why would you be worried about a “Law Abiding” person owning any gun?

      “this law was put on the books over 100 years ago when ALL guns could only fire one shot at a time, ”

      Yes…all guns…even the Brittish army’s guns.

      The second amendment was clearly written as a way to keep our Govt. in check. Currently, If we had to fight against our Govt. for our freedoms we would be severely outgunned.

      Far more people are killed each year with hand guns than are killed with Semi Automatic rifles! Why would our Govt. focus so heavily on the rifles and magazine capacity?

      For that matter, far more people are stabbed or beaten than are shot. which is a trend that will likely be worse in an unarmed society.

      • Ben C. April 26, 2013 at 10:11 am #

        Well said KB! I agree 110% .

  29. Dan Powell April 23, 2013 at 9:04 am #

    So Europe is doing good without them? You obviously have no idea of Europes history! How about Switzerland which has remained free and prosperous? Do they have the same gun laws as the rest of Europe which has been embroiled in war and has an economy that is failing? Don’t help ‘Merica, folks let’s see if this libtard can find her own answers!

  30. Dean April 23, 2013 at 9:06 am #

    Time for the San Andreas fault to move and let the coast move a few hundred miles closer to Texas…..

  31. Josh April 23, 2013 at 9:19 am #

    Unfortunately I lost all my firearms in a recent boating accident, so I have nothing to be taken…

  32. Steve April 23, 2013 at 10:09 am #

    I wonder how many are going to fight back when they come to take their guns.

    This has wrong written all over it, if people fight back it will be a PA win for the Antigun traitors, if they surrender their guns, even if it is a mistake on LE part, they will never see their guns again.

    I can see this going bad quick.

  33. America April 23, 2013 at 11:10 am #

    Time to start fighting back. Lets go.

  34. I Am Trademark April 23, 2013 at 1:18 pm #

    “Let’s all hope that California isn’t that stupid.”

    Judging from past experience, I’d have to agree with the Magic 8-Ball:

    “Outlook not so good”

  35. Ray Johnson April 23, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    One word says it all – California. Looks like Feinstein is rubbing off at a local level.

  36. OscarMike April 23, 2013 at 2:34 pm #

    Registered weapons in California?LMAO!!!
    This is the home of the lawless, come get

  37. Ben C. April 24, 2013 at 4:54 am #

    Why evey time I hear PTSD it’s only mentions Veterans? What about cops, firefighters, car accident victims, rape victims, and yes even mothers who had a traumatic birthing experience. They too can exhibit PTSD symptoms, but it’s US veterans who get labeled and people freak out because they don’t understand what it is.

    • Steve April 24, 2013 at 9:13 am #


      You can thank the idiots in Hollywood,.

      S.S in “Rambo” being a big influence, with less then 1% of Americans serving the civilians don’t understanding what we do except what they see on TV that and lets face facts a woman that has had a tramatic birthing isn’t as big a threat as a a well trained military member with combat deployment.

  38. ek April 24, 2013 at 5:36 pm #

    Iceman, in theory, it sounds like a good idea but what would prevent them from coming to your house, calling you “illegal owner” and taking what you got? What would prevent them from broading the search to include certian aged people just because of their age? What makes you think the criminals who have them actually bought them at a store and have a paper trail to follow? What makes you think it will stop or prevent anything?…..other than more crime. California, Chicago, New York have two things in common…they have the strictest gun laws right now but they also have the highest crime rates!

  39. Brianna April 24, 2013 at 7:12 pm #

    Hoping that CA isn’t stupid is pretty much a lost cause

  40. Hillbilly Bob April 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm #

    I would not want to be an LEO in kommiefornia when the pussy politicians send the LEOs out to do their dirty work for them
    Good luck, God bless and keep your heads down low to everyone

  41. william engroff May 22, 2013 at 6:13 pm #

    remember we live with criminal law not justice