Police have released body camera video from an incident in September when police opened fire on a man who was attacking his girlfriend with a knife. Graphic content.
I don’t share a lot of these videos, but this one illustrates a few points made in the past on this blog, and watching footage like this is a good way to learn from the real-life experiences of others.
The first takeaway for me is that pistol mounted lights are a good thing. These cops entered a house with very little light, and upon entering, were immediately presented with a threat. Would a handheld light have worked? It sure could have, but in my opinion, handheld lights don’t allow you to have the same level of two-hand control on your pistol that pistol mounted lights provide. Having your light on your pistol also allows you to keep the light towards the threat while still having the ability to use your offhand for other tasks. Bottom line: don’t get rid of your handheld, but adding a pistol mounted light to your carry weapon is a smart move.
Second, you’ll notice this was a “normal” house. What I mean by that is there was crap all over the place, stuff on the floor, chairs and other obstacles, etc. I think this is worth pointing out, because most of the training we do tends to be on a range or in a shoot house with few if any obstacles. Something to think about.
Third, the piece of garbage that was on the receiving end of the deal (also known as Jermaine Green) was shot four times at close range with a handgun. He lived through it, has since recovered, and is being held without bond. I don’t know what caliber Daytona Beach Police Department issues, but he was shot four times at close range and lived to tell the tale. Yes shot placement makes a huge difference, but at the end of the day, this once again illustrates that handguns aren’t very effective when compared to rifles, and that the caliber wars are pointless.
H/T Guns.com.
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I’m not for the militarization of police, but they need to do these types of forced entries with something other than a Glock pop gun.
What exactly is a “Glock pop gun” and why has Glock been the standard for law enforcement in America since the 90’s if they’re so bad? Handguns are extremely accurate and controllable at close distances, not to mention their ease.
Mr. “Ethos” –
I didn’t mean to bring the full force of Glock nation to bear…I carry a Glock 19. I love Glock. You completely missed my point.
Take out the word Glock and see if you can understand what I was trying to say. Handguns are pop guns. We carry them because they are small and concealable, not because they are terribly effective. As the folks at Starbucks found out, carrying rifles around tends to alarm the window lickers.
My point is that if the cops would have breached with SBR’s for example, we’d have a dead piece of trash, and not a piece of trash awaiting trial.
Then you have more damage to targets and wherever the 3 or 4 strays went off to. It’s a balance.
You say you’re not for the militarization of police, but then you say you think they should have SBR’s in their hands. Rethink your stance. Cops are not judge, jury, and executioner.
From what I can tell there were around 7 or 8 shots fired from 2-3m range and only 4 hit. The shots were too close together for me to be accurate. Looked to be a glock 22 or maybe M&P 9/.40. Could be wrong I can’t see very well. That guy was thick.. As to pistol/rifle/caliber war it actually worked pretty well in this situation. The guy was no longer a threat and lived, however in other situations like had he had a gun this would not be ideal. Generally I would think if you are tossing lead you hope the target expires quickly. Even if the LEO had a 10mm or .45 the penetration is not that much different and the accuracy would be less (I feel) however I bet he would have been more likely to bleed out.
Didn’t look like there was much room to maneuver around in that house, a handgun might have been the best option there
Google brought up this:
https://sites.google.com/site/worldinventory/pw_florida
Go to Daytona Beach and it seems they issue G19’s and G17’s. So now we know what all the .40 and .45 guys are gonna say….
I’m not exactly sure how accurate or up to date the inventory is, but thats what I found.
Another thing, I’m less concerned with what caliber they used, and more curious as to what their duty ammo was and how did it perform? Would love to see what kind of expansion they got, if any.
“My point is that if the cops would have breached with SBR’s for example, we’d have a dead piece of trash, and not a piece of trash awaiting trial”
Jake, in case you missed the memo law enforcement in the US isn’t about conducting summary executions, no matter how much of a detriment to society the individual in question is. The point of firearms use, outside of warfare, is to STOP A THREAT. Now does that frequently result in someone losing their life? Yes. However, causing death should not be at the top of the priority list for law enforcement or armed citizens.
No one said anything about executing anyone. The point is that handguns are less effective at stopping bad guys.
Actually no they are not. 223 rounds have been zipping through bodies at home and abroad causing innefective damage. The wound cavaty say from a 40 or 45 created by the hangun round is far superior. Know something about ballistics before you spout off…..
LMFAO really JD? Can’t tell if you’re serious or trolling…in case you’re serious, Google “5.56 wound” and start reading/looking at photos.
JD has a point Jake. In regards to ballistics 40 or 45 is more superior. The military was looking at replacing the 5.56 with something more superior. We all forgot that you designed the .233/5.56 round. Sorry about that, won’t happen again chief.
Please just stop typing.
Gentlemen – I think you should watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA
David, the military flirted with replaced 5.56 NATO with 6.8 SPC, NOT REPLACING IT WITH A DAMN HANDGUN ROUND LOL. Learn the difference between a handgun and a rifle.
.40 and .45 are “more superior”…dude you’re killing me with this crap.
Well this video set the tone for my weekend, i will have a smile on my face!
can anybody tell what the girl said right after the guy was shot?
my ears aren’t what they used to be and neither is my eyes, was the idiot under the girl with his arm around her neck?
i also wonder how many libtards watched this video and said “Duhhh well why didn’t they just shoot the knife out of his hand?”
Wow, why don’t we see more of these body camera videos? Do all police wear them? Seems like they should.
Al ur using my alias! lol Ya, caliber is irrelevant to shot placement. My P226 has more killing power (IMO) than say the FN 5-7 for this kind of work but two good ones is all that was needed either way. I was a little surprised to to see him let so many go with girl so close and since the weapon was dropped on shot 1… Should deffinitely not be walking around, dead or not, dangerous mind there — girl was probly happy he didnt die, how do you solve women tho lol
I didn’t say they were going to replace the 5.56 with a .40 or .45. They flirted with the idea, yes, but it didn’t happen. Learn to read, maybe start with a Lyman’s Reloading book.
David, I have to admit I am a little confused by your writing as well. Are you saying the .40 S&W and .45 ACP rounds are superior to the .223 Rem/5.56 NATO in terms of stopping power? Or are you saying the .40 S&W and .45 ACP are superior to the 9×19 and separately that there are better options for rifles than a .223/5.56 (but not the .40/.45)?
You can argue cailber, but its about shot placement. At close range a .22 has killed a bunch opf people. And last, I would say don’t Monday morning QB. The PO saved the girl. Well done.